{"id":771,"date":"2008-12-02T13:30:16","date_gmt":"2008-12-02T18:30:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/?p=771"},"modified":"2008-12-02T13:30:16","modified_gmt":"2008-12-02T18:30:16","slug":"mumbai-loin-du-web-20-et-pourtant-si-pres-troisieme-partie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/2008\/12\/mumbai-loin-du-web-20-et-pourtant-si-pres-troisieme-partie\/","title":{"rendered":"#Mumbai – Loin du Web 2.0 et pourtant si pr\u00e8s… (Troisi\u00e8me partie)"},"content":{"rendered":"

Je continue sur la couverture des attaques terroristes de Mumbai\/Bombay… Pour vous dire que tout au long des quelque 50 heures de couverture des \u00e9v\u00e8nements, une pr\u00e9occupation constante de tous est la s\u00e9curit\u00e9. Nous repr\u00e9sentons une forme de danger pour les autorit\u00e9s indiennes et internationales qui tentent de r\u00e9soudre une crise terroriste des plus violente.<\/p>\n

En effet, les m\u00e9dias sociaux sont hors de leur contr\u00f4le. Les autorit\u00e9s peuvent imposer\u00a0 des restrictions aux m\u00e9dias traditionnels car c’est facile d’appeler les patrons et leur dire de modifier leur traitement de l’information et des images pour des raisons de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 op\u00e9rationnelle. En d’autres termes, censurer les m\u00e9dias traditionnels est possible et cela se fait tout du long des trois jours de crise. Exemple que vous verrez dans les fils ci-dessous : Les chaines de t\u00e9l\u00e9 en continu NDTV plus qu’IBN-CNN ont volontairement d\u00e9cal\u00e9 de 30 minutes leur flot d’images \u00e0 partir du jeudi midi et ce pour le reste de la crise, \u00e0 chaque fois que les autorit\u00e9s s’appr\u00eataient \u00e0 entrer dans une phase critique d’op\u00e9rations.<\/p>\n

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Et au cours de ce d\u00e9calage d’une demi-heure, tournaient en boucle les images des heures pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes. Une indication, tout de m\u00eame pour les terroristes qu’il y avait anguille sous roche. Voici des fils capt\u00e9s au cours de la couverture et qui parlent d’eux-m\u00eames (toujours en ordre inverse dans le temps):<\/p>\n

Lost live feed from Taj hotel. Probably for security reasons… #mumbai 9:33 PM Nov 28th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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RT @shelisrael<\/a>: Block trolls creating Twitter accounts to spread Mossad conspiracy theories.If ppl block, acct will be suspended.#mumbai <\/span> 12:52 AM Nov 28th<\/span><\/a> from TweetDeck<\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n

Military don’t give the number of casaulities in Oberoi hotel for fear of affecting mental state of terrorists… #mumbai <\/span><\/span>12:33 AM Nov 28th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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<\/a><\/span><\/span>RT @<\/span>BreakingNewz<\/span><\/a><\/span>: and others : CNN-IBN Admits visuals not LIVE. A delay of 30 minutes to an hour #mumbai <\/span><\/span>10:05 PM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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#mumbai From NDTV No further information on Nariman House encounter for operational reasons.. <\/span><\/span>8:53 PM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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RT @<\/span>BreakingNewz<\/span><\/a><\/span>: Some reports indicate the Indian intel might be withholding information from media to help defeat the terrorists (unconf.) <\/span><\/span>1:32 PM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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#mumbai Live from NDTV Message from commanding officers : Do not quantify terrorists… <\/span><\/span>12:59 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/a> from TweetDeck<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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#mumbai Infrormation blackout intensifying. Sign that joint operations are probably under way… <\/span><\/span>12:37 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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#mumbai : More & more difficult to obtain live informations. <\/span><\/span>12:18 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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#mumbai Live from NDTV No more live feeds. Playing old images again & again <\/span><\/span>12:03 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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RT @<\/span>BreakingNewz<\/span><\/a><\/span>: Police requesting again that people not update military operations or plans in real time. <\/span><\/span>11:46 PM Nov 26th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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RT @BreakingNewz: Some reports indicate the Indian intel might be withholding information from media to help defeat the terrorists (unconf.)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Mais comment contr\u00f4ler les m\u00e9dias sociaux et le journalisme citoyen ? <\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00c0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9, nous voyons r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement des \u00abpr\u00e9tendus\u00bb journalistes citoyens venir dire \u00e0 leurs semblables qu’il faut coop\u00e9rer avec les autorit\u00e9s, ne pas divulguer d’information strat\u00e9gique, de donner photos et vid\u00e9os aux chaines officielles… Bref, un peu path\u00e9tique. Les autorit\u00e9s, comme vous le verrez ci-dessous tentent de bien de fa\u00e7ons de contr\u00f4ler notre message mais en vain.<\/p>\n

RT @<\/span>BreakingNewz<\/span><\/a><\/span>: Please avoid actually twittering about troop or police movements and plans. (Please Retweet) <\/span><\/span>1:23 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

RT @<\/span>Gauravonomics<\/span><\/a><\/span>: Now, there’s speculation that Indian government may be trying to block Twitter as the terrorists may be tracking it! WTF! <\/span><\/span>12:41 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

RT @<\/span>BreakingNewz<\/span><\/a><\/span>: Please avoid actually twittering about troop or police movements and plans. (Please Retweet) <\/span><\/span>1:23 AM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

@Emergent007 pls do not tweet anything that might negatively affect operation Mumbai #mumbai<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

D’o\u00f9 vient ce dernier message ? Du NSA \u00abNational Security Advisor<\/a>\u00bb Indien qui me suit sur Twitter :<\/span><\/p>\n

#mumbai : Welcome to NSA friends following me on Twitter… <\/span><\/span>9:49 PM Nov 27th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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C’est qu’il en a mis du temps \u00e0 me suivre, l’Advisor… M\u00eame chose pour le \u00abHomeland Security<\/a>\u00bb aux USA qui va s’int\u00e9resser \u00e0 moi un peu plus tard. Voici ce que je leur r\u00e9pond :<\/p>\n

Welcome to @<\/span>NTRAC<\/span><\/a><\/span> (Homeland Security) now following me because #mumbai. No I’m not a terrorist !!! <\/span><\/span>8:39 PM Nov 28th<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Comme vous pouvez le constater, il y a un monde entre les deux agences et leur utilisation de Twitter. Nos voisins du Sud sont des ann\u00e9es-lumi\u00e8re en avance… Dans leur effort pour contr\u00f4ler la situation et discr\u00e9diter notre travail, les autorit\u00e9s ont m\u00eame pr\u00e9tendu que nous aidions les terroristes :<\/p>\n

– Pascal Taillandier de l’AFP s’emballe et parle de Twitter, comme d’un \u00ab\u00a0nouveau m\u00e9dia\u00a0\u00bb<\/a>: avec \u00ab\u00a0des informations tellement pr\u00e9cises que selon certains micro-bloggeurs, la police indienne estimait que certains messages aidaient les terroristes pr\u00e9sum\u00e9s, <\/span>rapporte timesonline\u00a0\u00bb<\/span><\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

D’o\u00f9 la fameuse histoire des BlackBerrys…<\/strong><\/p>\n

C’est une histoire qui d\u00e9bute en pleine crise, le jeudi 27 novembre. Quelqu’un publie un \u00abReweet\u00bb selon lequel, les terroristes utiliseraient des BlackBerrys pour suivre ce qui se dit sur eux sur Internet. Il passe dans le flux Twitter, je le regarde mais ne l’enregistre pas. M’en souvenant un peu plus tard, j’enregistre plut\u00f4t celui-ci :<\/p>\n

RT @DavidStephenson<\/a>: understanding use of twitter\/mobile in #Mumbai needed for US disaster response http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/58htvy<\/a> <\/span> 8:44 PM Nov 26th<\/span><\/a> from TweetDeck<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

On y parle de l’utilisation des t\u00e9l\u00e9phones mobiles ou cellulaires mais pas des BB… Plus tard, \u00e0 NDTV un commando de la Marine est interview\u00e9 et r\u00e9v\u00e8le ce qui suit : <\/span><\/p>\n

\u00ab A Marine Commando revealed that China-made grenades have been found from the terrorists killed by security forces. Marine commandos have recovered 30 bodies from the Taj hotel, he said. The officer added that terrorists had foreign currency and credit cards of various banks. The terrorists had identity cards of Mauritius, he said. Revealing more details, the officer said that terrorists possessed AK series rifles andwere fully aware of Taj Hotel layout.\u00bb<\/em><\/p>\n

Pas de BlackBerry…La crise se poursuit ainsi que la couverture et on en entend plus parler jusqu’au 29 novembre.\u00a0 C’est sous la plume de Shel Holtz <\/a>ou @shel que je prend connaissance de multiples reportages \u00e9crits aussi bien dans la presse traditionnelle que Web sur le sujet des BlackBerrys.<\/p>\n

Pourtant, en lisant tous ces reportages, peu de vraies preuves ni de photos de BlackBerrys r\u00e9cup\u00e9r\u00e9s chez les terroristes. Que des oui-dires et ces photos montr\u00e9es par la Marine o\u00f9 l’on voit des cartes de cr\u00e9dit et des t\u00e9l\u00e9phones ordinaires.<\/p>\n

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En r\u00e9pondant \u00e0 Shel, je d\u00e9bute donc la pol\u00e9mique suivante (toujours en ordre chronologique inverse) :<\/p>\n

@shel<\/span><\/a> paragraph #6. Canadian press! …I know it’s possible & done by pirates in Aden Gulf but no material proofs in Mumbai. <\/span><\/span>13 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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shel<\/span><\/a><\/strong> @<\/span><\/span><\/span>Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/5wfwg3<\/span><\/a><\/span> — paragraph #6. Canadian press! <\/span><\/span>29 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>twhirl<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> And yes I know that terrorsits are well educated & technologically savy. Just did not see those BlackBerrys… <\/span><\/span>24 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> Like I said, I only question the use of BlackBerrys to follow Twitter feeds in Mumbai. I agree to the use of cutting edge tech. <\/span><\/span>25 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> Skeptic on the Mumbai attacks but I agree to the future use of Twitter & al by terrorists & pirates <\/span><\/span>30 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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shel<\/span><\/a><\/strong> @<\/span><\/span><\/span>Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> I’m not sure why it’s hard to believe. A lot of terrorists are educated and from well-to-do families. Bin Laden, for instance. <\/span><\/span>33 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>twhirl<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> That info then vanished, never confirmed by authorities. All we saw from arsenal were ordinary cell phones. Call me a skeptic… <\/span><\/span>36 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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shel<\/span><\/a><\/strong> @<\/span><\/span><\/span>Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/5md5dd<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span>37 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>twhirl<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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shel<\/span><\/a><\/strong> @<\/span><\/span><\/span>Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/6pdrn9<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span>38 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>twhirl<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> Thx. But they all look to come from the same info, the one that we saw appearing on Twitter during the crisis on Thursday. (next) <\/span><\/span>39 minutes ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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shel<\/span><\/a><\/strong> @<\/span><\/span><\/span>Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> Dozens of mainstream media reports, like this one: <\/span>http:\/\/snurl.com\/704wt<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span>environ 1 heure ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>twhirl<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> Interesting… Are your news reports from FastFoward & Gizmodo or are there other reports ??? <\/span><\/span>environ 1 heure ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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shel<\/span><\/a><\/strong> @<\/span><\/span><\/span>Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> Claude, news reports indicate commandos found Blackberries in terrorists’ backpacks. That’s more than rumor. <\/span><\/span>environ 2 heures ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>twhirl<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to Emergent007<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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@<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> Terrorists carrying BlackBerries & monitoring Tweets is not a verified fact but still a rumour started on Twitter on Thursday 27th <\/span><\/span>environ 4 heures ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span>in reply to shel<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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RT @<\/span>shel<\/span><\/a><\/span>: Twitter surges: Coming soon to an org. near you: If terrorists can use Twitter, so can your company <\/span>http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/5cpemp<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span>environ 4 heures ago<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span> from <\/span>TweetDeck<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Tout cela pour dire que les autorit\u00e9s, \u00e0 mon avis, auront r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 \u00abplanter\u00bb cette nouvelle sur Twitter et ensuite dans les m\u00e9dias et \u00e0 instiller un doute sur la pertinence de la pr\u00e9sence des m\u00e9dias sociaux dans la couverture de tels \u00e9v\u00e8nements. Pour ma part et comme je l’ai dit \u00e0 Shel Holtz, je ne crois pas qu’ils suivaient Twitter. Ils avaient des GPS, certes, des t\u00e9l\u00e9phones satellite et des t\u00e9l\u00e9phones mobiles traditionnels, certes, utilisaient courriels et SMS, OUI ! Voici d’ailleurs des images capt\u00e9es sur NDTV\u00a0 du t\u00e9moignage du seul terroriste captur\u00e9 :<\/span><\/p>\n

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Ils suivaient la couverture t\u00e9l\u00e9 et Internet, s\u00fbr !!! Mais Twitter ? <\/span><\/p>\n

Permettez-moi d’en douter… Mais ce n’est que partie remise… La prochaine fois, il faudra faire avec, c’est certain et comme je le dis \u00e0 Shel dans l’\u00e9change, ce sera probablement le cas dans le golfe d’Aden<\/a>. Mais qui twitte actuellement sur les pirates ???<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00c0 suivre…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Je continue sur la couverture des attaques terroristes de Mumbai\/Bombay… Pour vous dire que tout au long des quelque 50 heures de couverture des \u00e9v\u00e8nements, une pr\u00e9occupation constante de tous est la s\u00e9curit\u00e9. Nous repr\u00e9sentons une forme de danger pour les autorit\u00e9s indiennes et internationales qui tentent de r\u00e9soudre une crise terroriste des plus violente. En effet, les m\u00e9dias sociaux sont hors de leur contr\u00f4le. Les autorit\u00e9s peuvent imposer\u00a0 des restrictions aux m\u00e9dias traditionnels car c’est facile d’appeler les patrons et leur dire de modifier leur traitement de l’information et des images pour des raisons de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 op\u00e9rationnelle. En d’autres termes, censurer les m\u00e9dias traditionnels est possible et cela se fait tout du long des trois jours de crise. Exemple que vous verrez dans les fils ci-dessous : Les chaines de t\u00e9l\u00e9 en continu NDTV plus qu’IBN-CNN ont volontairement d\u00e9cal\u00e9 de 30 minutes leur flot d’images \u00e0 partir du jeudi midi et ce pour le reste de la crise, \u00e0 chaque fois que les autorit\u00e9s s’appr\u00eataient \u00e0 entrer dans une phase critique d’op\u00e9rations. Et au cours de ce d\u00e9calage d’une demi-heure, tournaient en boucle les images des heures pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes. Une indication, tout de m\u00eame pour les terroristes qu’il y avait […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[7,3],"tags":[1239,1771,1837],"class_list":["post-771","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-communication-interactive","category-evenements","tag-mumbai","tag-terroristes","tag-twitter"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/771"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=771"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/771\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=771"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=771"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/emergenceweb.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=771"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}